b"until I get a shop steward in here. I never relinquished my membership in 237. They never showed up. Now, all of a sudden, I'm a troublemaker.Who is this guy? Where does he come from? They found out, Oh, he was a cook. Well, cooks make more than bakers. The cooks get something called a shift differential. Whereas cooks get paid for nine hours a day, bakers were paid for seven and a half.Even though you were working in the bakery, that followed you?Right. They wanted me to switch over to the bakers union, but I said: Til I see a shop steward here from Local 3, I'm not signing nothing. So, I stayed there with them three years and somebody ratted me out to Ms. Bradley. That'swhen a lot of friction started. I was technically not supposed to still be a member of 237. They say: Oh, you working outof title, this and that. But the Department said I could work there. And I was like: Listen, you want me to join your union?Fine, but bring your shop steward here and let me talk to him first. But they never did.I was making more money thanthe senior baker in the bakery.Was trouble with the union, with 237? Or with the Administration?No, with Local 3. Somebody ratted me out to Ms. Bradley. Ms. Bradley started investigating and she said: Well, Hepbourn. But she was agreeing to what I was saying. I want these people to come in here and see what's going on, just like Ms. Bradley would come and see the cooks in the kitchen. That union [Local 3] supposed to do the same thing, because it's a lot of things here going on that shouldn't be.The bakery was not quite what you had hoped it would be?No. I found that I was more of a machine operator than a baker due to the volume of bread. We made what?Maybe, 25,000 loaves of bread a day.But I never switched over. My title remained Cook. I even refused to wear the baker's uniform.I wore my cook's uniform. The cooks uniform, the pants were different. They were the black and white checkered pants. Bakers didn't wear that, that was cook's uniform. I said: Until you, shop steward come in here, I ain't changing nothing.You did that for whole two and a half years?No. One day Ms. Bradley shows up. I found that the bakers didn't know their rights as a union member. I was teaching these guys what to do. There was a lot of rebellion. The Administration called the Correction Industries, (they runthe bakery). They said: We got to get this guy out of here, 'cause he's rallying everybody up. We got to get this guy out ofhere, and he's a cook too? They even fixed it so at the end of my tour, I still had to stick around in the bakery to put myhours in as a cook. So, if I was working 10 to 10 to four. I had to stay until 6:30 to make up the extra hours as a cook, because that's what I was getting paid for. Fine, I'm getting paid, I'm on the clock. I went back in the back office and putmy feet up and listened to the radio, see what's on the TV.I didn't let it bother me. I said: You gotta come better thanthat, you know, until a shop steward comes in here, I'm not signing no papers.And then there was a lot of little things going on. I was always at odds with the senior bakers. I know my union andwhat I had behind me. They didn't have that. They have something in Correction called a C.D. that's a CommandDiscipline, where they're trying to bring you up on charges. With 237, when they bring you up on charges, the union179 "