b"I'm having a problem convincing him to play in the other park. So Barry came over to me and he says, Manny, listen, ifthe Commissioner tells you to play over there, you have to play over there. I say: No, that's not the way that's not [how]the rules are written. He can't come here now and tell me that I have to play because he tells me. That's not what the rulessays. So Barry started talking to me and we went on and on, trying to convince me to play on the other park and he says tome: Well, Manny, look, I am the President of the Union. I said, Yes, I respect you for you are the President of the union,I say, but, you might be President of the union, okay, but you have no say here. This is a baseball matter, it's not a Unionmatter. I says, I respect you, you know, whenever we have problems with the Union, whenever we have any discussionwith the Union, whenever we have to go somewhere, you have demonstrations, I follow you, I did what I needed to do as ashop steward and as a member of the Union. But this time, Barry, you can't tell me what to do. I respect you as the Presi-dent and I respect you as a man, but you have no say at this moment in this park. It's out of your hands. This is between meand the Commissioner. You can't force me to play. So, he says: Well, I am the President, I'm gonna talk to the team. So, what happened was, as he was talking to the team and talking to me, the team told him, We not gonna play, this [is]what the rules are and they won one, we won one and we won the flip of the coin. So he said: Yeah, but I'm the President,I want you to play. And they said: Well, we'll do whatever Manny says we'll do. Okay? So then, the conversation endedright there, then he called me to the side, away from anybody. We had a long talk, one on one conversation. He said: Look,Manny, - it was about 7:30, 8 o'clock already.I said: We have to come to a conclusion with this, we're gonna have tocome to a conclusion. He says,Look, see what you could do, you know, I will appreciate it. I said: Well, look Barry, ifyou're telling me, okay, if you're telling me to do something and we could come to a conclusion, I'll do it, but I just don'twant the Commissioner to try to force me to do something that we agreed to at the beginning of the summer. I can't do itthat way. I said: All due respect to you, I said, Okay, Barry, what do you want me to do? [He] said: Well look, go play inthe park over there, alright? Do me a favor, go play over there. I said: Well, listen, since you're asking me in the way thatyou're asking me, okay, I'll do it.Barry, since you asking me, I'll do it. You know, it's not like I'm being forced to. So hesaid: Okay. [I said] On one condition. On one condition that I will play in the other park: the Commissioner has to be atthe game and he has to be the umpire. That's the only way I'll play, because I'm not gonna have no umpires making deci-sions on my team. I'll play, but the Commissioner has to be the umpire. So, you know, now I was trying to put a little heatto my Commissioner because he was the one that started everything. So he said: Norris, I want you to go and umpire thegame. Norris said: No, no, no, I don't want to umpire the game, I don't want to get involved with this, because I don'twant no problems if something happens. You know, I don't want no part of it. I said: Well, Barry, let me tell you some-thing, you cant right now tell me what to do but you could tell him what to do. He works for you. So Barry says: Norris,I want you to umpire, I want you to go to the game. Then that Friday, we played the game and we beat them at their ownpark. We won the championship! If you win, you got a major trophy that goes to your Project, then each individual gets atrophy and jacket. So actually, that's what you were playing for, for recognition of your Project.All Projects knew because itcame out in the paper that we were the champs. I think it was Monday, either Monday or Tuesday after we won the game, one of the business agents that works herecame to my Project and he says to me, Manny, Barry wants to talk to you. So when he says: Manny, Barry wants to talkto you, I thought I was in trouble, because of the way I objected to playing and the way I spoke to him, you know. I did itvery orderly, very professional, but I was challenging the president of the union, Local 237. Here I am challenging thePresident, I mean, who am I to challenge him? So he says: He wants to talk to you, he wants to see you. So we set up a48 "