b'We lived in Brownsville until they put the projects there. We moved out to Bed-Stuy, that\'s when Bed-Stuy wasn\'t Bed-Stuy. After the war, it changed. It was almost as bad as it was in the South. They were prejudiced. The soldiers came backand they all moved out taking the families with them. I didn\'t know I lived in the ghetto until that lousy Kennedy cameI thought ghetto was in Europe. Kennedy told me I lived in the ghetto, I said: "I was proud living in Bed-Stuy."When I move out in \'55, I went to Los Angeles, California. I came back in \'61.What kind of work did you do in California?I was a cutter in California.When I was in New York, I got in with an older man named Moses. He took me through itand he showed me how to do it. He was very nice. I looked him up when I came back to NYC after my stepfather died. Allmy family said I should come back to be near my mother. By that time, he was getting old, but he looked out for me. Hegot me in Sternberg House for childrens and girls clothes. I started as a laborer doing whatever needed to be done.Moses took a liking to me and he showed me what he would do at lunch time and break time. He showed me how tomake patterns and so thats how I got started. I worked with Mo, oh about six months to a year and then I was on my own.I stayed there until I came to work for the City. If I had to say who really helped me out, I would say Moses did. He was thefirst Jewish man I ever saw take up with a young black man. Did you have family in California?I lived with my wife. But her family and my family wanted us back in New York. We had one son, GaryDid you attend union meetings, rallies or events?I used to go to the union for Christmas parties, union meetings and to the Labor Day Parade.I used to participate when they had the senior seminar here. They switched us over to the ARA Alliance which are held atdowntown. Its harder for me to attend.\x02Victor NappaNYCHA Supt & TrainerI went to work for the New York City Housing Authority in March 1968. A friend ofmine was working with the Housing Authority and he told me about a provisional su-pervising housing grounds opening at Boulevard Houses. I was in the landscape busi-ness with my father and he was retiring, so I decided to apply for the position. I wastold to go see the superintendent at the project.The superintendent at the Boulevard Houses was Anthony Nicoletta. He interviewed me, was satisfied with my background, and he sent me to the personnel department at 250 Broadway. I was hired and assigned to BoulevardHouses in Brooklyn.64 '